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Reposition with the exit in mind: what the Grand Hotel Central Barcelona case teaches asset managers

the Future of Hospitality · 3 Sep 2026 · 18 MIN READ

Reposition with the exit in mind: what the Grand Hotel Central Barcelona case teaches asset managers

Reposition with the exit in mind is one of those phrases that sounds obvious in a boardroom and gets forgotten by month six of any hotel project. The Grand Hotel Central Barcelona case, run by the Schroders Capital team between late 2021 and early 2026, is what happens when a team refuses to forget it. RGI moved from 64 to 108. The hotel is already on the market. And the plan for the next owner was written into the strategy from day one.

A good asset manager reads the numbers. A great one reads what sits behind them.

The gap between a competent asset manager and a great one is smaller than most owners assume, and bigger than most CVs suggest. A competent asset manager can read a P&L, challenge a budget, monitor RevPAR, GOP and cash flow. That is the technical baseline. Without it, you are not in the conversation.

The problem is that numbers are always late. By the time a soft month shows up in the management accounts, the pricing discipline slipped weeks earlier, the GM was already spending time on the wrong battle, and the CapEx line that was supposed to lift value was quietly improving the product without moving the asset price.

That is the judgement layer. It is what separates reporting from deciding.

A competent asset manager will send the owner a variance report. A great one will convert that report into a decision: what changes, who decides, by when, and what happens if we do nothing. The reporting is the same in both cases. The output for the investor is completely different.

There is a second gap that shows up under pressure. Hotels are operational businesses run by operators who care about guests, service standards and staff, and financed by investors who care about IRR, hold periods and exit multiples. Both groups are right. Both groups often stop listening to each other after the second sentence.

The asset manager sits in between. If you can only speak one of those languages fluently, you will be tolerated by the other side but never trusted. If you can speak both, you become the person who gets called before the decision, not after it. That is where the value is created.

Who is behind the Barcelona case: Emmanuel Disset and Dario Filipponi at Schroders Capital

The Grand Hotel Central Barcelona sits inside the Schroders Hotels portfolio, and that portfolio is not small. Emmanuel Disset is Head of Asset Management for Schroders Hotels. He looks after 45 hotels across 9 countries, worth around €3.6 billion.

That scale matters for how the Barcelona case was run. When you are managing 45 assets, you cannot afford to invent a new playbook for each one. You need a repeatable way of thinking about value creation, timelines and exit, and you need people who can apply it locally without waiting for head office to sign off on every decision.

Dario Filipponi is one of the asset managers on that team. He is in charge of 6 assets between Poland and Spain, which means a lot of airports and a working knowledge of two very different regulatory and operational environments. He has been the lead on the Grand Hotel Central since 2021, which is the full length of the hold period.

That continuity is worth pausing on. A five year hold with the same asset manager from acquisition to exit is not the industry norm. In many funds, the person who buys the asset is not the person who sells it, and knowledge quietly leaks out of the file every time someone new picks it up.

In this case, the person who signed off on the initial business plan is also the person defending the sale price. That alignment is not a soft benefit. It is what allowed the team to keep the exit in mind from day one, because the mind holding the exit did not change halfway through.

Emmanuel and Dario worked together long before Barcelona, which is the other reason the internal decision loop stayed short. When the local operator surprised them, or when the F&B relaunch needed a call within days rather than weeks, they were not building trust from scratch.

There is no straight line into hotel asset management, and that is the point

Nobody starts a career saying they want to be a hotel asset manager. Emmanuel began in operations as an analyst at the Intercontinental in Berlin in the early nineties. He then moved into finance as an accountant at what was then the Churchill Intercontinental in London, now a Hyatt.

That combination, operations on one side and financial discipline on the other, is the foundation he still describes as the most useful part of his CV. His first proper asset management role came at IHG in the UK, and after that he worked for owners of Hilton Hotels. Step by step, he learned how hotels really work on the ground, and what owners actually want from a portfolio.

Dario's route looks different and ends in the same place. After early operational experience he moved into strategic consultancy, right after the 2008 financial crisis. He was based in Africa, consulting for owners across the continent who were opening new hotels or, more often, trying to rescue the plans they had already committed to.

Asset management assignments started arriving because owners needed to reshuffle their strategies after the crisis and implement them fast. He asset managed a hotel in Mauritius, then another in Cape Town, and gradually built the range of situations you can only learn by living through them.

The lesson for anyone trying to hire, or anyone trying to break in, is that operations, finance, development, consultancy and revenue management all lead to the same door. What matters is whether you can connect the hotel reality with the owner's financial objectives without losing either side.

The Grand Hotel Central Barcelona: 146 rooms, €8 million of CapEx, and a direct operations bet

The asset itself is a 146 bedroom hotel in the Gothic district of Barcelona, with three food and beverage outlets. Schroders acquired it at the end of 2021. They spent a little over €8 million on a full refurbishment and repositioning.

The structural decision that shaped everything else was moving from a classic hotel management contract to direct operations. That is not a cosmetic switch. It changes who controls pricing, hiring, brand voice and F&B strategy, and it changes what a future buyer inherits.

The numbers tell the story compactly. RGI went from 64 in 2022 to 108 in 2026. For anyone outside the discipline, the Revenue Generation Index compares a hotel's room revenue against its competitive set. A move from 64 to 108 is not a nudge. It is a repositioning that overtook the market.

The hotel is already on the market. The first chapter, as Emmanuel puts it, has been successfully written, and Schroders is now selling with the value proven rather than promised.

"This is such a successful story that we are already selling the hotel at the moment because the first chapter of the story has been successfully written."

What is easy to miss in that sentence is the timeline. Late 2021 to early 2026 is barely five years for a full repositioning, a change of operating model, an €8 million refurbishment programme, and a prepared exit.

Barcelona is a leisure city. The hotel was set up for business travellers.

When the team first walked the asset, the puzzle was immediate. The hotel was positioned at the entry level of five star, or the upper end of four star, and it was leaning towards business demand. Rooms had big desks. Colours were stark and dark. The whole product felt built for a segment that was not going to fill it.

Barcelona is not a business city in the way Frankfurt or Zurich is. Its centre of gravity is leisure, which is also the segment that lets you push ADR. A centrally located hotel in the Gothic district was, in commercial terms, aimed at the wrong customer.

The other surprise was the building itself. Dario walked in for the first time and found a property that was more beautiful in real life than in its own marketing photos. That is unusual. Most hotels oversell online. This one was quietly underselling.

The plan followed from those two observations. Redecorate the rooms in a warmer, more leisure oriented direction. Rework the F&B offer, with one restaurant fully rebuilt. Soft touch the common areas. Reposition the marketing towards a lifestyle, joyful hotel that a leisure guest would actually choose.

The business plan also had to be reshaped during acquisition, because market conditions moved and sellers were asking for higher values. The team rewrote the scope of work quickly rather than sticking to an out of date plan, and Dario is clear that this early willingness to change the scope was one of the decisions that made the rest of the project possible.

Why they deliberately did not attach an international brand

The obvious move for a hotel of this calibre in central Barcelona would have been to sign a long term management or franchise agreement with a well known international brand. There was, unsurprisingly, plenty of interest.

Schroders chose not to. The reasoning was written into the investment thesis from the start. They were not planning to hold the asset for 30 years. Part of the value would be extracted during their hold, and a meaningful part would be left on the table for the next owner to capture.

A long term brand contract narrows what the next owner can do. It locks in fees, standards and, often, an operator. By keeping operations in house and running the asset under its own name, Schroders kept the rebrand optionality alive as a value driver for the buyer.

That optionality is not theoretical. A buyer who can plausibly convert the hotel to any of several international brands, or keep it independent, will underwrite the asset differently than a buyer who inherits a 20 year contract they cannot break.

"We wanted to extract some of the value, and a part of the remaining value should have been shared with future owners."

This is what reposition with the exit in mind actually looks like in a contract cabinet. It is not a slogan on a slide. It is a choice not to sign the deal that would have paid the fastest, because it would have cost more at exit than it earned during the hold.

The hardest part was doing everything at the same time

Ask Dario what was hardest about the plan and he does not mention any single workstream. He mentions the fact that all of them ran in parallel.

You are defining and implementing capital works. You are keeping operations running while builders are on site. You are repositioning the brand without the marketing engine of an international chain behind you. You are de-risking an asset that is being managed day to day by a local operator who does not follow the internal policies of a global group.

On top of that, you are relaunching F&B outlets and changing key personnel. Each of these is a project on its own. Doing them concurrently multiplies the risk, because if one piece does not line up with the others, the overall strategy quietly breaks in the middle.

This is the point where a lot of repositionings fall apart. Not because any single decision was wrong, but because the sequencing was underestimated at the start, and by month 18 the team is firefighting rather than executing.

The Schroders team avoided that outcome partly through capital discipline and partly through people. Getting the right general manager, the right F&B lead and the right asset management coverage in place at the same time is what allowed the parallel workstreams to hold together.

People and capital are what actually move the number

When Dario is asked which single lever mattered most, he is honest about the temptation to credit the asset management team. The real answer, he says, is capital deployment and people, in that order or interchangeably.

Capital deployment is what unlocks the physical repositioning. Without the €8 million, no amount of clever pricing was going to turn a business hotel with dark rooms into a leisure destination that could push ADR. The money had to be spent, and it had to be spent on the right things.

People is the other half. That means the personnel on site, especially the general manager and the F&B leadership, and the asset management team behind them. Alignment between those two groups is what turns a plan into weekly execution.

Emmanuel adds a third factor: cadence. Buying in late 2021 and selling in early 2026 is barely five years for a project of this scope, and that speed only works if the team keeps the exit in mind every quarter.

"We had all the time the exit in mind. We were able to go fast and to target exactly what we wanted to target from day one."

When you lose the end objective, time expands and value contracts. Projects that drift are almost always projects where the exit was fuzzy for the first year.

Five years is fast for Schroders, and that is the point of the case

Hold periods depend heavily on the capital behind the asset. Schroders works with a range of owners and investors, and Emmanuel is clear that private equity moves faster than the average. Some assets have been held for less than three years. In one unusual case, less than three months.

The general Schroders horizon is 5 to 7 years, sometimes materially longer for large institutional investors who are looking for stable income rather than a value creation cycle. Against that baseline, five years for Barcelona sits on the fast end.

What makes the case unusual is not the speed on its own. It is the combination of a five year hold, a full repositioning, a change of operating model and a meaningful uplift in exit value. Any one of those in five years is normal. All of them together is not.

The reason the timeline held is that the team never treated the exit as a separate phase. Every operational decision was tested against what a future buyer would see in the data room. F&B choices, staffing choices, contract choices, capex sequencing, everything.

That is the practical meaning of the phrase this case is built around. It is not about selling early. It is about making sure the operational plan and the exit plan are the same document.

What Dario would do differently: slow down the front end

Asked what he would change, Dario does not point at the repositioning or the operating model. He points at the technical due diligence.

He would have spent more time investigating the asset before signing, and more time on the initial consolidation of documentation. Not because the plan was wrong, but because a stronger front end would have saved friction later, when the team was already running the parallel workstreams described earlier.

The reason those items were compressed was the transaction dynamic. Barcelona hotels in late 2021 were being fought over, and the acquisition timetable was set by the market, not by the buyer. In a hotter deal, you take the trade off. You accept a thinner due diligence in exchange for winning the asset.

That trade off is worth naming out loud, because in most post mortems, technical due diligence is the item everyone privately wishes they had done better. Almost nobody says the same about the repositioning strategy.

The lesson is not to slow every acquisition down. It is to know, at the moment of signing, which parts of the due diligence you have consciously shortened, and to build the first six months of the hold around closing those specific gaps before they compound into surprises at year three.

Repositioning a hotel is not the hard part. Repositioning a hotel while keeping the exit in mind for every capex line, every contract clause and every F&B decision is the hard part. The Grand Hotel Central Barcelona moved from RGI 64 to 108 in under five years because the team never separated the operating plan from the exit plan. If your next acquisition is being underwritten with a clear hold period, the question worth asking on day one is not what will make this hotel better. It is what the next owner will pay to inherit, and which of your decisions in year one already reduces that number.

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A good asset manager understands the number. A great asset manager understands what's behind the number. All right, welcome to Inside Hotel Asset Management. This is a Future of Hospitality podcast. So in this series, we are exploring the world of hotel asset management through real, real case studies, and they're being brought to you by industry leaders. So hotel asset management is all about value, so, and value creation.

So today we're going to talk about the Grand Hotel Central Barcelona in Spain. So we are going to hear from the Schroeder Capital team. So they have implemented a very smart repositioning strategy. And by doing that, they not only set up the hotel for long-term growth, but they also prepared it for the exit or for the sale. So maybe a quick reminder for everyone. So in a

hotel, you would usually see 3 entities. So the owner, who would have like an asset manager, someone who manages the investment, um, the operator, and the brand. Some of these entities can be you know, one and the same company. We'll talk about that later as well. So, um, my name is Luc Boschmans. I work for Red Sea Global based in Riyadh in Saudi Arabia, and today we

will be hearing from Emmanuel Disset and Dario Filipponi from Schroeders. Gentlemen, please introduce yourselves. Emmanuel, would you like to start? Head of Asset Management for Schroders Hotels. I look after a portfolio of 45 hotels in 9 different countries worth €3.6 billion. Fantastic. So Dario, please. Yeah, my name is Dario Filippone. I'm one of the asset managers of Schroders Capital. I I'm in charge of 6 assets located

between Poland and Spain. So yes, I travel a lot and I work with Emmanuel now for quite a long time and we are involved in this specific asset of the Grand Hotel Central in Barcelona. Great. So maybe question for Emmanuel. So Emmanuel, how did you become involved in hotel asset management? How did that happen? Honestly, nobody starts a career saying, I want to be a hotel asset

manager. And I think my path was really accidental. I started in operations as an analyst at the Intercontinental in Berlin in the early '90s. Then I moved into finance as an accountant at the, at the time, Churchill Intercontinental in London. Now it's a Hyatt. And that combination, operations on one side and financial discipline on the other, became really the foundation of my career. From there, I moved

into my first proper asset management role with IHG in the UK, and then I worked for owners of Hilton Hotels. And step by step, I really learned the tricks of understanding both how hotels work on the operation side And what are the key objectives of owners and what do you do to value and to maximize the value of a portfolio? So I suppose I'm the living proof

that there isn't one single path into asset management. You can come from operations, finance, development, revenue management. What matters is learning to connect the hotel operations reality with the owner's financial objectives. Okay, thank you, Emmanuel. What about you, Dario? Well, you know, similar to Emmanuel, really it happens by, by chance. Actually, I, after some initial operational experience, I moved into strategic consultancy, and at that time actually

was post the the great financial crisis of 2008, and I was in Africa and I was consulting for owners around the continent for establishing new hotels. And some asset management assignments started to come because clearly the owners needed to reshuffle or reformulate their strategy after that crisis and implement it. And well, This is how we started. I had the chance to asset manage initially an asset in

Mauritius and then another one in Cape Town. And then little by little I grew, you know, in that sense. And then I was called by Schroders and I started, you know, doing it with Emmanuel. Great, thank you. So I was really fascinated, you know, to, to, to read about what you guys did at the Grand Hotel Central in Barcelona. So, um, yeah, I'm, I'm, I would like

to hear more about it. So Emmanuel, would you like to, you know, explain us a little bit what you guys have done there, why, why you've done that, and then we can go into a little bit more detail with Dario? Sure, sure, I'll give a quick introduction and then Dario who has been looking after these assets since— this asset since 2021, is the specialist of this hotel.

Basically, we're talking about the Grand Hotel Central Barcelona. It's a 146-bedroom hotel located in the Gothic district of Barcelona. It's a beautiful building. It has 3 food and beverage outlets, and we acquired it at the end of 2021. We spent a bit more than €8 million to fully refurbish it, reposition it. We went from a classic hotel management contract to direct operations, and Dario will tell you

much more about that. And we basically grew the RGI from 64 in 2022 to 108 in 2026. Wow. This is such a successful story that we are already selling the hotel at the moment because the first chapter of the story has been successfully written. Great. And maybe just, you know, for, for, you know, if we have listeners who, who, who, you know, don't know that much about

hotel asset management, so RGI is the revenue generation index. That's what we use to compare rooms revenues amongst other hotels, right, to see whether we're doing well. So this is, this is a clear example that there's been, you know, quite a big success. Dario, would you like to give a bit more, you know, details? Yeah, absolutely. Listen, this hotel, it's really a great story in the sense

that when we first looked at it, this hotel was kind of positioned in the entry level of the 5-star, maybe higher 4-star if you can to put it this way, upper scale. And what was kind of surprising for us was the fact that although it is in the very city centre of Barcelona, it seemed to be more focused on business rather than leisure, with these rooms that

had big desks. The colours were kind of stark and dark. And when we looked at it, you know, we saw a hotel that could have much potential to actually increase the share of the leisure clientele, which is the one that allows you to increase also the ADR and the performance of the hotel. And then, you know, when we passed through the acquisition period that has been very

quick because of the transaction dynamic, we got into the real life of this hotel. And, you know, we had some initial issues because we actually, we had to rethink a little bit the business plan because some of the market conditions were changed. You know, the owners were probably asking higher value at that time. And, you know, we have been very quick at reshaping the business plan. And

defined or redefined the scope of work for this hotel. So, very interesting, interesting, we changed the scope of work and, you know, after a few years it was definitely the good decision to take. We have redecorated the rooms, changed completely the F&B offer, one restaurant is completely redone, new. We have soft-touched some of the common area, and, you know, we have repositioned the hotel from a marketing

standpoint towards a more lifestyle, joyful type of hotel, again to cater for this leisure clientele. Okay, yeah, interesting, fascinating. I mean, it's It's kind of, yeah, amazing that, you know, you would find a hotel like this, which in a city with so many tourist attractions and such a, you know, great business mix with a lot of leisure travelers and, you know, finding such a centrally located hotel

but actually equipped for business travelers. That's— Yeah, it was surprising to us actually. The biggest surprise, I think it was the first time that I entered into the hotel and I see that it was much more beautiful in real life than in the pictures, you know, like, you know, sometimes you always see these hotels try to oversell or overpromise through the web. And in this case for

us was kind of the opposite. They say, no, no, but this hotel is so beautiful, it's so great. So we need to, give justice, you know, to this beauty of this building and do something very, very nice. It's good. And then you, you decided not to rebrand in terms of, you know, linking the hotel to an international brand, you know. What was the thinking behind that? Listen,

the, the, the strategy was clear from the beginning that, you know, we were not necessarily there for the next 30 years. Okay, you know, we had a clear strategy with our investors that we wanted to extract some of the value, and a part of the remaining value should have been shared with future owners. Okay, and as a result, we thought that it was best, also thanks to

internal capabilities, basically to operate we create the hotel ourselves so that we could give the flexibility to future owners to decide, you know, which type of brand, you know, potential repositioning, you know, and this flexibility as a value for investors that at the end of the day it's very, very interesting and valuable, and this is why we decided not to use, you know, or to rebrand the

property with an internationally renowned brand. Although we know that there is quite a lot of interest, of course. I can imagine. To manage and brand a hotel in this location in Barcelona. So by taking the decision not to sign a long-term management agreement with, you know, well-known international brand or a franchise agreement, you were actually already thinking about, you know, what, you know, in our graph here

would be then the last phase, so the exit, right? Yes, this is very critical in asset management, Luc. You know, it's important to have a clear investment thesis and timeline for whichever target you want to achieve. The targets can be very different in asset management depending on the capital that is behind the investments and And we as asset managers need to make sure that we deliver on

investors' expectations, you know, and that it was clear for us since the beginning, again, that the timeline and the time horizons was not indefinite. And therefore, you know, we had to study the step by steps to achieve the best results possible for our investors. Okay, and so within the whole plan you came up with and implemented, what was the most difficult part of that whole plan? I

would say that the most difficult part was to manage at the same time all the complexities of this investment, which was like the definition and implementation of the works, its timing, the ongoing operations at the same time, the repositioning without a big brand that of course facilitates, you know, such marketing rebranding, you know, working at the same time in de-risking the asset that was managed by a

local operator and naturally, you know, doesn't abide to the international operator's, let's say, policies. So it was very very critical. Also, for example, we had to relaunch, relaunch F&B, F&B outlets, change of key personnel. So doing all of this at the same time is extremely complex, and you have high risk of things going wrong because if one of these pieces doesn't fit with the rest, then you

really risk undermining the overall strategy. That's a good point. So what do you think, you know, which part of the plan had really the biggest impact? What was the, you know, which was the most defining? Yeah, we love to believe that it's us, but of course, you know, then The reality is that, you know, capital deployment is definitely a key element to be able to achieve and

to extract the value of the asset. Definitely, you know, being able to have the right personnel around, so the personnel on site the people in the asset management team. So this alignment that Emmanuel was commenting in his introduction, it's definitely the key to achieve the results in an orderly and quick manner, I would say. So, you know, it is many things at the same time, but definitely

people and capital are definitely the two things that can can make the magic happen. Yeah, people and capital. Yes, Emmanuel, I may, um, just another point on that. I think what made this project particularly successful is the cadence we went through. When you think that we bought in late '21 and we're selling in early '26, that's barely 5 years. And one of the key success of this

this particular project is that we had all the time the exit in mind. We were able to go fast and to target exactly what would we— what we wanted to target from day one. Hence we are where we are because, you know, we started immediately with that mind spirit, that mind frame into we want to go fast, this is what we want to do, and we're just

going to do it. Sometimes you lose track a little bit if you are not that focused, uh, you know, time goes very, very fast, you lose the end objectives and you waste time. On this particular project, we were very successful at keeping the cadence and all the time having the exit in mind. Is the 5 years, is that like a typical hold period for Schroeder's Capital, or

is it, or Does it depend on— No, we tend to— I mean, it depends. We work with lots of different owners and investors. We do work with private equity. Private equity is even faster than that. We've done sometimes hotels that we kept for less than 3 years. We are— Sorry, sometimes less than 3 months, possibly. We had a case indeed where we kept a hotel for less

than 3 months. But I would say that generally speaking, our, our time horizon is about 5 to 7 years, sometimes much, much longer when we work with big institutions. So 5 years is on the faster side. And what's striking is what we highlighted at the very beginning is the successful story within 5 years is just not an okay story. It's a fantastic story. Yeah, within 5 years.

And that's actually the challenge. Great. Is there anything you say now, you know, oh, maybe this or that we, we could have done differently? Or, you know, looking back at the whole, um, repositioning, uh, strategy you had? Um, listen, uh, probably I, I would have improved, uh, the initial technical due diligence. Probably spending a little bit more time investigating the asset. Probably we could have spent a

little bit more time at the beginning in the consolidation of the documentation. But these things had been driven by the speed of the acquisition that again was very high because of the transaction dynamics that we had at that time. But, uh, beside that, I, I believe that the, the, the story and the, and the asset management initiatives were the right one and at the right time, as

Emmanuel commented. Okay. And so, so how would you then, you know, measure the success of such a strategy? I mean, Emmanuel mentioned, you know, the RGI in the beginning, so the market share, which is a clear indication that we are— that, you know, with your, your hotel, you're, you're gaining market share from the competitors. Is, you know, are there any other indicators you look at? Yeah, absolutely.

I mean, please go ahead. Some details, but for me, and without disclosing any numbers, uh, the difference between how much we bought for and how much we're going to sell for is definitely the biggest success that we have, without going into details. Yeah, no, no, definitely. So I understand, you know, the hotel is currently on the market, so you're preparing the exit, you're already advanced. And so

this is going to be very interesting, of course, for your whole team to see, okay, what is now, you know, how are we going to be able to reap the results of this whole strategy of these, you know, 5 years of working on this project. Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. Clearly, you know, that is the ultimate, you know, measure of success. This is what our investors and co-investors are

judging us on. But let's say that, you know, in order to achieve that ultimate goal, it's important to set the different, let's say, KPIs. That helps you during, you know, the implementation of the asset management initiative that leads eventually to the increasing value of the asset. So, you know, the most important, it's the net operating income of the hotel, how you make it grow. Okay. And then

you ask about how you make it grow. Then it's basically an increase in revenues driven by the change of the segmentation mix that you have. The increase in prices, increase in volume, the repositioning of the F&B outlets. For example, one of the outlets is now Michelin Guide recommended, which is, you know, quite interesting for a restaurant in a hotel, and this improved the overall experience of the

clients staying in the bedrooms, which eventually leads to higher average rates. You know, another key point for me is how you are able to, let's say, de-risk the asset so that the new buyer has a clear framework, a clear idea of what it remains to do to extract, you know, the value that is still in the property. And that is a key measure of success. So when

you move from a technical or legal due diligence that is, I don't know, many pages long, and then at the end of the process, it's focused on just a few items, that is a key measure of success because you have prepared indeed the asset for the next buyer so that he has an easier life. Got it. Yeah. So no, I can really feel what you guys are

saying, how focused you are on this, preparing the asset for the next buyer, make sure he has still some upside. But in the meantime, that the sale will go in easily as well. So that's, that's, that's good. Yeah, that's, that's the key. Yeah. So no, congratulations. I mean, fantastic. Very nice, very nice case study. Very, very good. Very good job. Um, maybe in general, you know, so

a few, a few more questions before we close. So, um, what do you think, you know, what, what do you think what makes an asset— a good asset manager great? So what will be the difference between a good asset manager and a great one? Well, the, the difference is smaller than people think, but it's actually also bigger than most people think. A good asset manager understands the

number. A great asset manager understands what's behind the number. A good asset manager can read the P&L, challenge a budget, monitor RevPAR, GOP, cash flow, etc. That, that's the technical foundation. That's the minimum you need to to be able to do. But a great asset manager knows that the numbers are always late. Let me explain. Uh, hotels show problems before the spreadsheet. Weak pricing discipline, a GM

spending time on the wrong battles, a CapEx project that's improving the product but not the value. That difference, that's the judgment. A good asset manager will report performance. A great asset management like Dario will convert the performance into decision. What do we change? Who decides? By when? What happens if we do nothing? Etc. And the best asset manager can speak both the languages of the operator, of

the hotel manager, and the capital language of the owner. Yeah, I fully agree. Yeah, Dario, you want to add something? I mean, Manuel has a clear view of what is a great asset manager. If I had to add something, I would say that, you know, a great asset manager is also somebody that is able to absorb, chew, digest all these operational issues that we have been commenting

with Emmanuel and translate it into a language that an investor that sometimes has no information, no knowledge on the industry is able to understand. That is also, you know, a key characteristic for me for an asset manager. You know, many of the investors in the industry, they are not really interested in understanding whether the shrimp shall be served in one way or another, or, you know, whatever

operational issues. And, but at the end of the day, that net operating income comes from that detail. So the ability or the greatness of the asset manager is to really take all these operational, financial, legal compliance issues and to be able to explain in very clear terms to somebody that has nothing to do with this, with this detail, and able to convince them and get them on

board and make them understand that this industry is probably one of the best in the world. Very well said. Very good, Dario. Thank you. So You know, in my role, I'm also in charge of our, you know, training plan for our junior colleagues. And, you know, we have around, you know, 10 people in our team who are really interested in learning more about hotel asset management. And

that's one of the reasons why I do this podcast, because I think it's great content for them. So what would you— are there any recommendations or any— is there any advice you could give to young people who say, you know, I would love to become a hotel asset manager? What would you tell them? I would say that that would be, first of all, a great decision, you

know, for somebody who is willing to become an asset manager. And the nice part is that there is no preset path to become one. I would say that they need to understand how to be street smart and then have a very multidisciplinary approach. So learning the operations, learning the finance, learning the investment side, the brokerage, you know, the broader is your understanding of the industry, possibly the

more successful you are going to be in the role because you will understand the different, let's say, angles of different investors, operators, people in operations, banks involved. So that would be my advice, would be Great idea. Start with whatever you want, move to other, you know, roles, learn as much as possible, and that would be the way you can become a great asset manager. If I may

add, sorry, I think you need also to be very ready to handle uncertainty, being able to change the plans if you understand that something is not going as planned. You must be focused or sometimes obsessed with the value creation. You know, that is the key. Our job is really to create value and, you know, as you said, Luc, there are several ways of creating value and You

know, you as asset manager, you need to understand a little bit of everything to really be able to drive that value creation that, you know, in different assets can come from different things. Great. Yeah, so no, I, I, you know, I like it, you know, you said, you know, be obsessed with value creation and as well, you know, try to learn as much as possible. You know

what I always tell, uh, you know, our younger people as well, you know, be and stay curious, you know, ask questions, you know, if it's not clear, don't worry, ask questions, you know, we all started somewhere. So, so we all learned, we all, you know, started with nothing, so to say. So that's a, that's a very good point. In order to conclude the session, first of all,

many thanks to Emmanuel Desez and Dario Filipponi from Schroeder Capital. I think this was a, you know, a great conversation. I really loved it. And, you know, if you people out there listening or watching this, you know, if you enjoyed this conversation, please follow, like, and subscribe and support the channel for future conversations. There's more coming up. We have, you know, some very interesting industry leaders lined

up as well for this Inside Hotel Asset Management podcast. So thank you very much. Thank you for my two guests, and see you soon.

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